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Deathly Hallows: The Reread (Chapters 5 and 6)
Deathly Hallows: The Reread (Chapters 5 and 6)

Chapters One and Two
Chapters Three and Four

WARNING: Since this is a collection of comments from my rereading the book, expect there to be many spoilers in the sections on early chapters for developments that come in later ones; there is really no other way to discuss foreshadowing or the "real" purpose of something that occurs early on and is explained later. Do not read if you are still going through the book for the first time and do NOT want spoilers.


Chapter Five: Fallen Warrior

The immediate impression we are probably meant to get is that the chapter title refers to Hagrid, but he is a touch nut to splatter all over the pavement, so he is “fallen” in the sense that he literally fell, but not in the sense that he died.

Harry finally has time to reflect that Hedwig was “his one great link with the magical world whenever he had been forced to return to the Dursleys”, but since his thoughts are phrased in precisely this way, it is worth noting that he will never again be returning to the Dursleys, so it is somehow fitting that the patron saint of orphans (St. Hedwig) should leave him now.

Once more, Harry shows who he really is (NOT a killer) when he explains to Lupin why he tried to disarm the very-likely-Imperiused Stan Shunpike. Lupini lecturing him about this is also reminiscent of Voldemort taunting Dumbledore for not trying to kill him. Lupin is as wrong as Voldemort when he says “…but the Death Eaters seem to think it is your signature move, and I urge you not to let it become so!” Remus has not allowed himself to become like Fenrir Greyback, but he is missing the point here that Harry is also resisting becoming like his enemy.

Harry very rightly says, “I won’t blast people out of my way just because they’re there… That’s Voldemort’s job.” He has a firm handle on who he is and who he isn’t by now, even though he was earlier unaware that he would be very likely to try to save the Dursleys if they were in danger because of him.

Two purposes are served by George losing his ear: first, it lulls readers into a false sense of security when it comes to the twins, and second, it means that when Fred is killed there is no question of who it is—identification is not an issue.

Ginny continues to be Harry’s greatest comfort by taking his hand when they are waiting for the others to arrive, but unlike Ron and Hermione, they don’t think the middle of a semi-crisis is the best time for a snog-fest.

Hermione’s reaction to seeing Ron is well done, including Ron saying, “Always the tone of surprise,” to Hermione’s sounding slightly incredulous about some impressive magic Ron performed. This is the second little detail (along with saying that Harry looked tastier than Crabbe or Goyle) that will lead up to Ron destroying the locket with the sword.

There is also a great deal of irony in the fact that when Harry was hanging about with a Polyjuiced version of Moody who was really a Death Eater, Harry lived, but when the real Mad-Eye was with a Polyjuiced Harry Potter, Moody did not. This is in spite of the fact that Fake!Moody was doing everything he was supposed to in order to help Voldemort kill Harry, whereas Fake!Harry (Dung) was not doing what he was supposed to (in which case it is not surprising that Voldemort managed to kill Moody).

When Fleur says that Voldemort had to have inside information, she’s not wrong. It is doubtful, however, that anyone could have imagined that Dumbledore’s portrait telling Snape to tell Voldemort about Harry’s departure; since Dumbledore knew that Harry could not die, it was a relatively safe thing to do (for Harry, not the others) and it continued to keep Snape in Voldemort’s good graces. Harry, on the other hand, is wrong about the “slip” having been a mistake, but then, he doesn’t yet know that he can’t be killed and stay dead as long as Voldemort lives.

It’s also interesting that Lupin compares Harry’s trusting and loyal nature to James, and that Pettigrew’s betrayal is mentioned, since, in the most technical sense, Dumbledore did betray Harry by having Snape reveal the departure time, and Dumbledore was the one who’d originally volunteered to be the Potters’ Secret Keeper.

It’s still not completely clear why Harry’s wand emitted the gold fire, but it could have something to do with Fawkes being the source for the core; I kind of felt like the wand was “channeling” Fawkes when that happened.

At the end of the chapter, Hermione says, “Harry, he’s taking over the Ministry and the newspapers and half the wizarding world! Don’t let him inside your head, too!” She is, of course, saying this to someone who has had Voldemort inside his head since he was fifteen months old! Unlike the first book, when Voldemort was on the back of Quirrell’s head and Harry simply felt pain due to their connection, he truly sees through Voldemort’s eyes now and learns valuable things this way; Harry is much surer of who he is at this stage in his life, so it is less likely that he will be fooled by false visions again. What was a painful and hated connection in the first book is welcomed by Harry now, but it has not corrupted him or made him like his enemy.


Chapter Six: The Ghoul in Pajamas

Harry seems to wish he could tell Ginny about the Horcruxes; when he notices that Molly’s brown eyes are just like Ginny’s it does not help him when he’s trying to explain that Dumbledore didn’t want others to know something.

Interesting information about the Fidelius Charm: when the Secret Keeper dies, every person who’d been told the secret “inherits” the role of Secret Keeper. However, the larger the number of people who’ve been told, the less power the charm has (it’s diluted). This also means that Snape is a Secret Keeper; Harry says about this, “But surely Snape will have told the Death Eaters the address by now?”

Mr. Weasley says that Mad-Eye set up curses to work against Snape specifically, but there is a flaw in this plan: when Peter told Voldemort about the house in Godric’s Hollow he didn’t go there himself, as far as we know (and we still don’t know if anyone else was there that night!). If Snape told someone the secret of number twelve, Grimmauld Place, he wouldn’t necessarily go there himself.

The fact that Death Eaters cannot suggests that he not only has not told, which should have been a red flag for Voldemort, unless Snape had never told him that Dumbledore was the Secret Keeper; if memory serves, he only says that HE is not the Secret Keeper, in the sixth book, to Bellatrix. This is still be the case, presumably.

Humor: The ghoul who will be impersonating Ron is a funny reference to an earlier book in which Ron’s usual freckled appearance prompted someone to assume that he really did have spattergroit!

The only way to put your soul back together after splitting it is true remorse, we learn, which Harry suggests to Voldemort near the end of the book. (The response is fairly predictable, of course.)

Ron hits on an actual solution when he’s being sarcastic about ways to destroy the Horcruxes: “Oh well, lucky we’ve got such a large supply of basilisk fangs, then...I was wondering what we were going to do with them.” Of course, at the end, he and Hermione do go down to raid the “large supply of basilisk fangs” in the Chamber of Secrets!

When Gabrielle Delacour arrives and gives Harry “a glowing look” we have yet another eleven-year-old girl with a crush on Harry! Ginny shows her jealousy by clearing her throat loudly, so we still know what her feelings about Harry are.

Chapters 7 and 8




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Fidelius Charm
[info]poolvixen
2007-07-26 01:07 am UTC (link)
"Interesting information about the Fidelius Charm: when the Secret Keeper dies, every person who’d been told the secret 'inherits' the role of Secret Keeper."

Is it just me or does this contradict the answer given to the latest FAQ poll on JKR's site?

Q: What happens to a secret when the Secret-Keeper dies?

A: When a Secret-Keeper dies, their secret dies with them, or, to put it another way, the status of their secret will remain as it was at the moment of their death. Everybody in whom they confided will continue to know the hidden information, but nobody else.
http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/faq_poll.cfm

Yet (as you mentioned), we hear otherwise in this chapter and later Hermione accidentally reveals the location to a DE when she apparates to 12 Grimmauld Place with him hanging onto her robes. Even in this case, wouldn't that DE (I don't remember who it was and don't have my book handy) not be able to tell any others, since he was only told the location by a secret keeper, rather than being a secret keeper himself?

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Re: Fidelius Charm
[info]psychic_serpent
2007-07-26 01:38 am UTC (link)
I was aware of that information she'd previously given about Fidelius, but she seemed to change her mind when she was working on the book, because DH contradicts it. In the book it was said that they were worried about security because, with so many people ALL being Secret Keepers now, it was inevitable that someone should eventually tell the secret. Which means that it CAN be told by one of them, which is not what she previously said. At this point I'm assuming that we should go by what's actually in the book; we also previously thought Hermione's middle name was "Jane", but she was either misunderstood or simply changed her mind about that, going by DH.

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Re: Fidelius Charm
[info]poolvixen
2007-07-26 02:15 am UTC (link)
Makes sense--I was just curious about your thoughts on this issue.

Also, thanks for your analysis--I'm enjoying reading it!

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Re: Fidelius Charm
[info]psychic_serpent
2007-07-26 03:23 am UTC (link)
Thanks! Actually, I think I prefer her earlier out-of-book explanation of the FC, since it was more secure. What I got from it was that there pros and cons. Pro: the house is still protected from anyone entering who hasn't been told the secret. Con: if you want to tell someone new, you can't, since only the Secret Keeper can do that and he's, erm, "indisposed". The new version in the book has different pros and cons. Pro: you can let new people in on the secret. Con: Any time someone wants to try to get into a house protected by FC, they can start by killing the Secret Keeper, which then would make anyone who'd been told the secret a Secret Keeper as well, dilute the charm, and give you more people you could possibly bully into giving up the information. The first way prevents anyone new from being able enter the house, but the second way seems guaranteed to give you a bit of a body-count, plus possibly some poor people to join Frank and Alice in the Janus Thickey ward at St Mungo's.

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Re: Fidelius Charm
[info]mrs_bombadil
2007-08-03 09:36 pm UTC (link)
Hmmm...Maybe I'm missing something but I'm not certain that the two do contradict each other. A lot of fans had speculated the following: that when a secret keeper dies, there is no longer a secret. This was relevant partly for finding Godric's Hollow and partly in regards to #12GP access. So, when she answered on her website, she indicates that there is indeed still a secret to be kept. The notion that the previous people with knowledge become secret keepers seems an expansion or elaboration. Certainly the phrasing "secret dies with them" could lead one to conclude that means the secret is safe forever but I don't think it has to be taken that way.

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[info]tunxeh
2007-07-26 04:52 am UTC (link)
When Gabrielle Delacour arrives and gives Harry “a glowing look” we have yet another eleven-year-old girl with a crush on Harry!

Pre-DH, I had been hoping for a little more of Gabrielle than we see here, though of course that subplot isn't going anywhere. Sadly, it was not to be.

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[info]psychic_serpent
2007-07-26 11:33 am UTC (link)
Well, clearly Fleur's little sister doesn't think Harry is "'ideous".

I had an evil thought while reading the scene where she turns into Harry and says this to Bill: Bill/Harry shippers could definitely have some fun with Bill and Fleur getting up to something before the Polyjuice Potion wears off (fueled, in part, by exhiliration at surviving the trip from Surrey). ;) I'm not a BIG slasher, just a wee bitty slasher, but I couldn't not think of this! Especially since Fleur was so dismissive of Harry's looks. (Ask your little sister why she was "glowing" at Harry, Fleur!)

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[info]penny_sieve
2007-07-29 07:28 pm UTC (link)
I love that JKR made it very clear early on in the book how Harry and Ginny really felt about each other. Harry's thoughts about wanting to hug and hold her without caring about the presence of Mrs. Weasley and Ginny's look of more than just shock when she finds out Harry's intentions of going after Voldemort told us everything.

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[info]psychic_serpent
2007-07-29 11:27 pm UTC (link)
She definitely made it very clear! I'm glad their kiss here was fairly private (until Ron barged in.) We already had the scene in the sixth book where there's a room full of people staring at Harry and Ginny kissing. For the first kiss, when she doesn't have a clue how he feels about her, that's fine. If she'd written a scene near the end of DH where Harry and Ginny were running toward each other across the Great Hall in slo-mo while people moaned and groaned around them and were dead or dying, then kissed for "several sunlit days" I'd have had to somehow reach into the book and beat them both about the head. (Talk about, "Is this really the time?") It was so much more mature for Harry to think that they'd have plenty of time to be together later--he HAS a "later" now. By the end of the book he's really grown up!

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